Hi Baron, nice thread

Jun 04, 2018,04:28 AM
 

My choice will be simple, sorry but even if you put a high financial cap, I can not get away from the cost of these beautiful pieces and I have chosen only watches financially targetables for me but pieces I truly enjoy

I have simple tastes


Patek Philippe 5196p, perfect as a watch should be , excellent design, simple at first look . I like it, thank to MIKE H I could try, I was like a child opening his Christmas gifts





Patek Philippe 5711, I can't get away from this watch. I'd like to find one second hand within a few months... years



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A 2-watch collection from Patek Philippe : all periods, budget $1m

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : June 4th, 2018-00:57
Imagine that you could choose a 2-watch collection from Patek Philippe (i am pushing this lower and lower every time!). The only limitation is that there needs to be some financial limitation on what you can choose as 2499s need to come off the table. So,...  
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i could live with 5712/1a and 5970j! [nt]

 
 By: Kit333 : June 4th, 2018-01:12
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Yep.....that covers most things [nt]

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : June 4th, 2018-01:14
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That is a great duo! [nt]

 
 By: keks : June 4th, 2018-04:54
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For me this is quite simple

 
 By: sham1 : June 4th, 2018-01:12
my two would be my ever faithful 7200R London Edition and the holy grail 5531R. And if I have gone over budget Joe, I would forego the 5531R for one of the ten 5029R out there My beloved 7200R London Edition How not to go nuts over the 5531R?!! A rare 502...  
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thats not over budget......

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : June 4th, 2018-01:15
but what would you wear for swimming!! LoL
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My swimming trunks Joe!! :-)

 
 By: sham1 : June 4th, 2018-01:19
I would not wear a watch to swim (and I do swim twice a week) or when I play squash (4 times a week) probably as I try my best to keep my watches in as good condition as possible while wearing them! The fact that I am a partial to leather strap watches de... 
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Then you are covered...so to speak [nt]

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : June 4th, 2018-01:19
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Then it would be these...

 
 By: amanico : June 4th, 2018-01:12
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Yes, i can see that.....

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : June 4th, 2018-01:16
Both can actually work formally and casual too. Yoi also have travel covered.
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My kind of cup of tea... [nt]

 
 By: amanico : June 4th, 2018-03:45
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Patek only?

 
 By: zabreg1 Mr White : June 4th, 2018-01:20
Tough. But I would go with a black dial 5078P and 5650G. I would have answered the same as you, but we need at least some difference.
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Minute repeater in there is a definite differentiator

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : June 4th, 2018-01:24
Covers many bases for sure. Does the 5078 black dial have enamel?
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No, the black is lacquered.

 
 By: zabreg1 Mr White : June 4th, 2018-01:32
Good point. Maybe the white email dial, in that case (though black dial is more my style).
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2 pateks for all occasions

 
 By: watch-guy.com : June 4th, 2018-01:42
1 ref 3700 2 ref 5370p J
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Oh yeah, i like that

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : June 4th, 2018-01:49
I am not a fan of the Nautilus but the 3700 is the icon for me of that genre. Great combination.
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Love that duo [nt]

 
 By: keks : June 4th, 2018-04:56
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For me 5650g and 5970P or G

 
 By: uaewatchguy : June 4th, 2018-01:56
Iqbal
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I’m half way there and maybe will cover the other half next week 😜

 
 By: uaewatchguy : June 4th, 2018-01:57
Iqbal
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that sounds fantastic!! [nt]

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : June 4th, 2018-02:03
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Which half do you already have? 5970P??? [nt]

 
 By: amanico : June 4th, 2018-03:45
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5650g

 
 By: uaewatchguy : June 4th, 2018-04:47
Iqbal
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Superb! [nt]

 
 By: keks : June 4th, 2018-04:56
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Very hard to choose.

 
 By: afl : June 4th, 2018-02:05
But I go with 5726 in bracelet and 5970J. But just as a note, whenever Baron says put the third one, it will be 5213G. ...  
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ok...you can have a reserve! LoL [nt]

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : June 4th, 2018-02:09
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Quite difficult to cover all occasions with Just two watches.

 
 By: nafetS : June 4th, 2018-02:29
But I think it would currently be 5370P and 5976 for me. I'm not really into calendar complications and I really Like chronographs. The 5976 is from my Point of View the best sporty chronograph in the lineup, even though IT IS white gold. Not perfect, but... 
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I can’t answer this question.

 
 By: Thy1r : June 4th, 2018-02:39
Too hard.
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:-)

 
 By: Thy1r : June 4th, 2018-02:49
First choice would be 5164a But then I’m stuck on the second choice... shall I go for 5078g, 3970p, 3940j, 5131j or 5110p ?!?!?!? ...  
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gotta choose...or they all go into the fire! [nt]

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : June 4th, 2018-02:54
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Haha

 
 By: Thy1r : June 4th, 2018-03:25
Ok then 5164a + 3970p !!!
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Eccezionali [nt]

 
 By: tactictac : June 4th, 2018-03:26
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Wow JC. You have a Patek museum at your fingertips!

 
 By: Costa (aka Connie) : June 4th, 2018-05:24
Beautiful pics. Thanks.
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Would go for these two 😋

 
 By: FRAMII : June 4th, 2018-02:45
5131R: And maybe not a big surprise from me ; ...  
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Almost an easy answer...

 
 By: Mike H : June 4th, 2018-02:58
......I’ll start with the one you have no doubt about, I cannot imagine not having my Wonder Watch in the list Of course for the second one the choice is more difficult to make but since you gave clear rules for the game I’ll go for the 5970 P. Of course ...  
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nice choices Mike [nt]

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : June 4th, 2018-03:11
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You knew my choices already my friend

 
 By: Mike H : June 4th, 2018-05:19
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Superb duo! [nt]

 
 By: keks : June 4th, 2018-04:57
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Well, half of the duo is done, the second will remain a dream I'm afraid...

 
 By: Mike H : June 4th, 2018-05:18
But it's nice to have dreams, and sometimes dreams come true even !
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Quite often maintaining a dream means more than realizing it .... [nt]

 
 By: keks : June 4th, 2018-05:32
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This is so much easier in theory Joe

 
 By: KamalRostov : June 4th, 2018-03:00
I got my casual/sporty/ travel covered with this The difficult bit is the business/dress/formal end... as I’m secretly having an affair with this one
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3448G

 
 By: beejo : June 4th, 2018-03:18
And a 5167! Best, Ahmed
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Uhmmm...yes....the G...of course [nt]

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : June 4th, 2018-03:20
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I think this would also be mine! 👌 [nt]

 
 By: BMR : June 4th, 2018-09:08
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too easy with vintage watches...of course...

 
 By: gensiulia : June 4th, 2018-04:04
for modern watches i would say: 3700 + 3970
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i can see that too [nt]

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : June 4th, 2018-04:15
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I could do this, for far less than $500k!

 
 By: Jay (Eire) : June 4th, 2018-04:09
Everyday comfort and wearability, with complication, would be the Nautilus Perpetual 5740. And if I wanted I could swim in it, that said I have a Garmin 920xt for swimming and other sports. The other choice would be a 3970 Perpetual Chronograph. Not sure ... 
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agreed.... i just needed to put a cap on it otherwise it opens up a Pandora's Box of choice [nt]

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : June 4th, 2018-04:14
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Of course. I think when writing it down just now I surprised myself a bit at what a great two watch PP collection one could have for ~$200k -$250k.

 
 By: Jay (Eire) : June 4th, 2018-04:22
Assuming I could get the 5740 at retail!!
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yes.....

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : June 4th, 2018-04:23
.....some really beautiful watches in this range
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It's way too difficult of a choice, which in a sense is a good thing, but among the more recent ones I'm going for the 5650 and the 5531...maybe also because I don't own either one :-) [nt]

 
 By: FabR : June 4th, 2018-04:11
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yep.....nice choices.....covers most bases [nt]

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : June 4th, 2018-04:14
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Hi Baron, nice thread

 
 By: Tyo : June 4th, 2018-04:28
My choice will be simple, sorry but even if you put a high financial cap, I can not get away from the cost of these beautiful pieces and I have chosen only watches financially targetables for me but pieces I truly enjoy I have simple tastes Patek Philippe...  
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no need to spend because teh budget is there....just picking the ones that ring the bell

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : June 4th, 2018-04:40
The Nautius gives you the sports angle and the Calatrava the formal angle. And with all the money saved, time for a cabriolet for summer?
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lol. Where I live the summer is from 01/01 to 12/31... but because you asked with the money saved I'd buy a painting. This year I've already spent one nice PP in paintings...

 
 By: Tyo : June 4th, 2018-04:52
life is all about choices
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Choosing is renouncing as we all know...

 
 By: Mike H : June 4th, 2018-05:16
There is never any right or wrong there is only a question of setting priorities
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that's true. Did you make your choice regarding what we talked about? [nt]

 
 By: Tyo : June 4th, 2018-06:11
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Fun game... I'll play...

 
 By: keks : June 4th, 2018-05:00
Your duo is spectacular and I would have to agree on it.... but I would have to have a steel piece.... 1) 5650G as you may suspect already.... if this had been made in steel my second choice would have been somewhat different perhaps... 2) 570A with Bregu... 
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Actually, great call on the 570A [nt]

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : June 4th, 2018-05:32
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Feeling some regrets still.... which is unusual for me.... but the dream carries on! [nt]

 
 By: keks : June 4th, 2018-05:35
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5531 for dress and travel and 5711P for gym and the beach

 
 By: Patekphilippecollector : June 4th, 2018-05:18
My calculation is based after VAT
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we can cut you some slack on the VAT [nt]

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : June 4th, 2018-05:32
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I would say these (two)...

 
 By: dom007 : June 4th, 2018-05:28
1. The 5950a black dial, an elegant and discreet chrono. 2. The 5650G, a sporty all-rounder. But as all good things come in three, I really don't know how I can do without the 5740G... With these three(!) pieces I will cover all kind of my needs: a chrono...  
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5950a is just amazing [nt]

 
 By: Thy1r : June 4th, 2018-05:33
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i wonder.....

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : June 4th, 2018-05:33
.....how many Patek owners who own the 5650 would leave it off their 2-watch list?
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Great question.How many 5650g are there in this forum

 
 By: uaewatchguy : June 4th, 2018-05:37
Iqbal
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i think 6-7 [nt]

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : June 4th, 2018-05:48
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So far four current 5650 owners have replied....

 
 By: keks : June 4th, 2018-05:52
And all included this as one of their two. Do we have any owners here that would not include it? Also, so far nobody who does not own one has included a 5650 in their theoretical top 2.... somewhat interesting...
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5980 and Kari still to reply .... i think that covers all owners here [nt]

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : June 4th, 2018-05:53
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Alas, the latter set is nonempty (I did include the 5650 but don't own it)😉 [nt]

 
 By: FabR : June 4th, 2018-16:22
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We have one non owner who would put this in!!!

 
 By: keks : June 4th, 2018-23:51
Ok, along with a 5531 would be a spectacular duo I must admit!!
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Ok I rest my case... that black 5950 and a 5650 would settle it for me!!! [nt]

 
 By: keks : June 4th, 2018-05:34
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Two modern steel Pateks 5960A & 5711A

 
 By: Joepny : June 4th, 2018-06:07
I want to restrict myself to only PP watches that I’ve worn or tried on in the past. Otherwise of course I would go for the Grand Complications. So the 5960A black and the 5711A white. The 5650G is definitely half in/half out. I’ve tried it on courtesy of... 
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5960A is an excellent choice. Very polyvalent watch. [nt]

 
 By: amanico : June 4th, 2018-07:17
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Hehe...Nico, so will it surprise you to hear that I want the white 5960A too?

 
 By: Joepny : June 4th, 2018-08:16
the rule of not having identical case & movements is probably going out the window...😆🤩
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Indeed, but I considered getting all the 5110 for a moment... So, why not you considering getting the two 5960 A... [nt]

 
 By: amanico : June 4th, 2018-08:46
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True, I remember you’ve said that about the 5110 many times

 
 By: Joepny : June 4th, 2018-09:05
With the 5960A, it is easier on the checkbook that PP made only 2 production versions.
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Actually, the issue is that I would hunt the three with the same chrono mono dial style. Then, the 2 A and the G... [nt]

 
 By: amanico : June 4th, 2018-10:30
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I love the aesthetics of the 5960G

 
 By: Joepny : June 4th, 2018-10:42
Have seen it in the metal a few times now. The denim blue dial looks fantastic. I just am not convinced by the white gold metal case. I don’t like how easy it is for gold to get scratched. With the 5960G, I imagine that I would play with different straps.... 
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You can also scratch the steel lugs... [nt]

 
 By: amanico : June 4th, 2018-11:00
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Fun and thought provoking post. I will limit myself to modern - 5016P silver dial and 5131P. Here are the reasons:

 
 By: patekova : June 4th, 2018-06:35
5016P is my top choice, because for me it is amazingly beautiful - has a perfectly balanced dial, perfect size, comfortable to wear, classically styled, uber complicated and platinum (and platinum is well, platinum!). For me easily my favorite modern Pate... 
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Interesting.....and great rationale [nt]

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : June 4th, 2018-07:57
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It's impossible just

 
 By: CL : June 4th, 2018-07:46
to choose 2- watches , all coming from Patek. I will feel really bored and will start feeling the watches are boring. I love the 2-watches theory but it will never just from Patek. So if my two watches collection must have one Patek, it will be PP 3448 Ye... 
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Without scruple 5959R and 5320G. Too bad there's no money for these two watches...

 
 By: Dmitriy : June 4th, 2018-09:29
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Nice diverse combination [nt]

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : June 4th, 2018-14:17
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Two watches from the same brand, huh?

 
 By: TheMadDruid : June 4th, 2018-09:36
And not the brand I favor most. But that doesn't mean I couldn't do it. If I could only have two watches, and both had to be Pateks, I'd take any Aquanaut within reach, and your 5970P. There you go.
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does it have to be MY 5970p? [nt]

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : June 4th, 2018-09:44
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I guess it doesn't have to be

 
 By: TheMadDruid : June 4th, 2018-10:44
but yours is the only one I know exists. That eases the burden of finding one.
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but begs the question of how you would get mine......

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : June 4th, 2018-10:53
......given that i am a speculator, I guess there is always a price!
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Better hope your aquanaut wasn't in reach as well! [nt]

 
 By: Spangles - Dr. Tabby : June 4th, 2018-11:32
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lawyers for you..... [nt]

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : June 4th, 2018-11:33
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I think I could figure out a way to get your PPC. [nt]

 
 By: TheMadDruid : June 4th, 2018-15:06
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*ominous music* [nt]

 
 By: Spangles - Dr. Tabby : June 4th, 2018-17:56
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5320G and 5370P/5950A [nt]

 
 By: Gelato Monster : June 4th, 2018-09:55
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first combination of those......nice [nt]

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : June 4th, 2018-09:58
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Thank you

 
 By: Gelato Monster : June 4th, 2018-10:03
Unfortunately nothing for swimming but that's OK. I ll just use my shearwater.
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Interesting thought, Baron

 
 By: blomman Mr Blue : June 4th, 2018-10:42
Of the two you choose... For me the 3448 would absolutely be part of the two! While the 5650 would absolutely not... Best Blomman
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good that we all have different tastes [nt]

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : June 4th, 2018-10:51
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This is not the anguish I wanted to face on a Monday, but I'll try. I prefer to answer based on my available options, which I think ensures the most compelling personal reflection and decision (by definition, I bought them)

 
 By: 5980 : June 4th, 2018-11:18
That said, until recently, I'd have answered quickly and confidently. The 5980/1A and 5650G. This may strike some as strange. Isn't there a significant gap in situational coverage? Business? Formal? In truth, in my experience, no it does not. I've spent y... 
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And No.5 falls into place!!!

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : June 4th, 2018-11:27
Just Kari left now. 5980....great deliberation and evaluation. Oddly, I didn't find it as hard as I thought. So, 5 from 5 who actually own the 5650G are putting that watch in their 2-only collection. To be honest, that is quite remarkable. Before I owned ... 
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I share 5980's sentiment for the 5980/1A....

 
 By: keks : June 4th, 2018-11:39
it has for years been my "go to" watch.... my "steel Daytona" for regular wear.... it is such a versatile piece. But the 5650g is just a step more special.... there is so much to like there. I still find the second piece incredibly difficult to narrow dow... 
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5204P is an obvious candidate.... a piece I truly admire...

 
 By: keks : June 4th, 2018-11:35
it is far less formal in spirit than one initially thinks for being a grand complication. With those two you got all complications and occassions covered.... and the 5980 can jump in when nobody is looking (it is my "go to" watch as well.... ). Now you go... 
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You and I are exactly in the same place. I wanted to slip the 5980/1A in, but was afraid of Joe's wrath 😉 [nt]

 
 By: 5980 : June 4th, 2018-11:37
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Oh you have been so close to being banned before...... [nt]

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : June 4th, 2018-11:42
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Instead, I was branded for life with the Fipper's Avatar [nt]

 
 By: 5980 : June 4th, 2018-11:50
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Judge rules: No foul [nt]

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : June 4th, 2018-11:51
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forget it.....we just kid ourselves with this "cutting back" idea [nt]

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : June 4th, 2018-11:37
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I have to say, the dynamic involved in choosing 2 or 3 or 4 completely alters the process [nt]

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : June 4th, 2018-11:43
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Absolutely it does. And it kills another half day [nt]

 
 By: 5980 : June 4th, 2018-11:50
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true...

 
 By: keks : June 4th, 2018-11:52
but since the exercise involves 2 watches from Patek... my thinking start to go around what other watches I would have in the collection if only 2 would be PP.... but the 5650G would be one of the two from PP in any case...
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it gets much harder if you include any manufacturer [nt]

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : June 4th, 2018-11:52
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A 100% hit rate for the 5650G. Wow. How many of us (owners or otherwise) would have predicted that outcome? I sure would not have put money on the Terminator, Sharkey, or plain ugly duckling on my first sighting [nt]

 
 By: 5980 : June 4th, 2018-17:49
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Quite unexpected....

 
 By: keks : June 4th, 2018-23:51
Or is it?
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5170p, just one watch. The rest would go into an MR fund.

 
 By: Spangles - Dr. Tabby : June 4th, 2018-11:35
To buy a minute repeater. Although, if the amount to play with is .5-1M, then there are several in reach already as a simple MR appeals.
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i think you could cover many of the MRs with the budget [nt]

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : June 4th, 2018-11:43
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Easy for me. Patek don’t do sports watches they do Complications.

 
 By: Miles_151 : June 4th, 2018-14:43
So I can swim in the first one and keep the second for best. I would call it a day with these 2. Thanks Joe gets you thinking again. M. ...  
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You would call it a day with these two?

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : June 4th, 2018-14:51
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Oh yeahhh ! What a day ! [nt]

 
 By: Mike H : June 4th, 2018-14:57
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Yep that would be me done.

 
 By: Miles_151 : June 4th, 2018-15:05
I would have what I believe to be the best Watches made by Patek in the semi affordable range. M.
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👍 yes exactly...

 
 By: Mike H : June 4th, 2018-15:09
...SEMI affordable range, LOL 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
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And suppose these two Patek would be the only two watches in the collection?

 
 By: keks : June 4th, 2018-15:46
What if the exercise was to curate your two watch collection in which both had to be made by Patek.... so no other timepieces allowed (no rolex, tudors, omegas etc).... still same two PP?
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Yes. This is where that persistent 5980/1A proves it's worth [nt]

 
 By: 5980 : June 4th, 2018-17:55
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Could easily be one of my two

 
 By: keks : June 4th, 2018-23:53
Especially if limit was lower on the duo. Then 5980/1A and another regular production non-grand complication would be perfectly acceptable ...
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This 5970 Salmon... Superb dial. [nt]

 
 By: amanico : June 4th, 2018-14:58
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I would have to go with 5078p black dial and 5235 [nt]

 
 By: NML77 : June 4th, 2018-19:06
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I hardly ever post in the PP forum..

 
 By: Echi : June 4th, 2018-19:23
But do lurk. And here I come out from hiding as I cannot resist such a challenge Easy enough to max out Baron's suggested shopping money but I am unable to stray from my working class sensibilities. I'm not sure when a Patek will ever grace my wrist but t...  
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Echi.... I am happy to have lured you

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : June 4th, 2018-23:32
And I very much understand your choices. Practical yet covering so many bases. The 5164 is a very versatile watch. Fun even. The 5196 is a beautiful formal watch but actually totally usable in a casual environment too. Best Joe
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first two 5650 and 5970 p [nt]

 
 By: time4fun : June 4th, 2018-21:33
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I could cozy up to these two...

 
 By: Brandon Skinner : June 4th, 2018-22:06
...  
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what diversity in just two watches [nt]

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : June 5th, 2018-00:16
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Aaah, the Pilot!!! A dream! [nt]

 
 By: amanico : June 5th, 2018-01:05
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What if the requirement was two modern PP....?

 
 By: keks : June 4th, 2018-23:11
Modern meaning from 90s I suppose.... what would be there instead of the 3448?
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5370p [nt]

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : June 4th, 2018-23:28
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Was afraid you’d say that....

 
 By: keks : June 4th, 2018-23:46
But makes perfect sense...
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I have to say......

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : June 5th, 2018-00:15
....the alternative would be 5970P because of its level of complication and ease of wear. But 5370P would be hard to ignore
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Indeed.... a strong contender and tough competitor to the 5370

 
 By: keks : June 5th, 2018-00:39
I like the more sporty strong character of the 5970P but the clean elegant enamel rattrapante is pure class. Perhaps a better contrast and complement to the 5650....
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one could also go a different direction.....

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : June 5th, 2018-00:16
....5131P and 5370P..... that would work too but it has a different feel to it as a pair...more formal
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Indeed two ultra heavyweights....

 
 By: keks : June 5th, 2018-00:42
That is a cool duo with strong contrast and both exemplifying strong PP dna in different ways... in my modest collection however I think I could do with just keeping my 5650 and 5131J.... if the exercise was a 2 watch collection from current holdings that... 
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my next post puts a different spin on it....its coming [nt]

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : June 5th, 2018-00:54
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5065J and either 5026G or 3796G

 
 By: chocomallo : June 5th, 2018-04:03
Perhaps not popular, but my ideal two-Patek collection.
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its what works for you...so perfect [nt]

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : June 5th, 2018-04:17
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Not both Pateks, but here's my..

 
 By: Signo : July 1st, 2018-08:57
combo meal deal. ...  
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I would go for:

 
 By: 1WatchMan : July 1st, 2018-10:48
& ...  
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Simplest question ever

 
 By: Passionata_george : July 1st, 2018-10:53
5531R and. 3700! I think ;-)
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for me...

 
 By: salihyoluc : July 14th, 2018-16:34
it must be the 5711/1P (not the anniversary one, the original one) and 5074P black dial.
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